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Some more illustrious career information

There was no keel-hauling on the ship; she was docked in Corfu. I didn’t meet with LRH for a week or two. There was no indication that I was in his bad books, as the telex made me imagine. When I did bump into him, he welcomed me warmly. At once the old friendship glow came to life. Up till then I hadn’t settled with myself if I would stay or go back to Britain. Reservations about remaining on board receded and soon my continued presence signaled that I was all right with being one of the crew.

He shortly made me “LRH Communicator Apollo” [his representative in the sub-group of people responsible for operating the ship Apollo as a ship and running Scientology services for the crew] but in late 1969 he created the position of “LRH Personal Communicator” and put me on it. As such, I was a principal executive aide; after 1973, I began to feel unable to follow LRH on the path he was taking. Even so, I remained on the post until 1978,  when I had the pleasure of going to the Rehabilitation Project Force (“RPF”) at the new Scn HQ in Clearwater, Florida. In those days the RPF did a lot of good. I know that for a fact because I designed and set it up on the ship in order for it to do good. And it did me good when I went through it. Later, others changed it and thus achieved for it a gloriously bad reputation. From the RPF I went into the department at Clearwater that delivered the most advanced levels of Scientology to the public.

In that same period, I made it known that I was reviewing what I would do with the rest of my life. The authorities already knew me as one not too keen on remaining with the group that had changed so much from what I had originally given my loyalty to. Subsequently, in 1982, my seniors and betters kicked me out on to the street in Clearwater nastily [a goon spat in my face] and noisily. I’d thought to slip out of the door quietly so as not to disturb the equanimity of anyone okay with staying and for whom I’d been a comrade. I felt that people should make up their own minds and not be swayed by my action. Proud recipient of two Suppressive Person Declares, both rubbish. No ambition to return; they got tired of asking me to go “back on the team.”

I was in pieces after this ending to what had been my life. A number of friends helped me get back on my feet and to them I’m forever grateful. In 1983, I went to David Mayo’s new independent centre in Santa Barbara, California; there I worked for several months before setting out on my own practice as a travelling auditor. This I did for many years, along with some projects here and there, mostly within the US. The idea that I would return to Scotland, where I’d lived for some happy years in childhood, was always at the back of my mind for “when I get old.”. A few years ago I found myself living again in Scotland, and having to acknowledge, with some surprise, that I had indeed become “old”. It’s good to take a break from having to keep telling people how to spell and pronounce my name. Thank you, Scotland. Also very happy to be close again to my big brother, Alastair. He always knows how to keep me in line.

I have retired from auditing but enjoy doing Book One, a very basic level. Now I have this blog to develop.

[Thanks to a friend, I corrected the date I went to David Mayo’s centre in Santa Barbara. It was in 1983, not 1984 as I first stated.]

Next, I’ll state what I think I’m doing with the blog.CATEGORIESREFLECTIONS ON SCIENTOLOGY AND L. RON HUBBARDTAGSAPOLLOKEN URQUHARTKENNETH G. URQUHARTL.RON HUBBARDLRHLRH PERS COMMLRH PERSONAL COMMUNICATORSCIENTOLOGYSEA ORG

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  1. JudiHi Ken,
    So glad to see you and to read about your experiences with LRH.. not to mention the revealed fact of your designing the RPF. I can’t say that I will ever consider that a healthy endeavor. Personal introspection, good communication, community service perhaps if there have indeed been actual wrongs committed.. but never the RPF. But then, I was just an observer of those assigned.. and it wasn’t a pleasant experience watching you all. I hurt for each and every one of you..not from a “staff” pov.. but as a fellow human being.I also left in 1982..escaped actually and had my own series of ups and downs… we have spoken briefly via email since. And I never did send you that biz card holder.. in purples and greens. :0(I have moved to Florida, about 2 hours south of CW…and I love it here…love the sand and the palms and the clean air. Don’t think I could do England again with the cold and the rain and there’s nobody left there for me now anyway.I look forward to reading more of your blog as it unfolds.Lottsa Love,
    JL
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThank you, Judi, for joining us. Great to know you are happy in Cockroach County. :))
      Well, you have your bias about the RPF too. Not to worry. We won’t send you there. Yet.
  2. Vinay AgarwalaKen, I was on the very first RPF on the ship when the whole Programs Bureau was unloaded into it. I think that experience lasted a few weeks only. It was a shocking experience but not brutal.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comGood, Vinay. It was not meant to be brutal. Sorry about the shock, though. It was designed for a certain result and to not waste time getting it. That was within the context of the Sea Org, not of ‘normal’ life.
      1. Vinay AgarwalaKen, I am curious to know about the key input from LRH that gave a purpose for RPF and defined its boundaries. Thanks.
        1. urqbones@gmx.comVinay, this is a story I’ve yet to tell on this blog. But I can tell you that the only key input he had in the drawing up of the original RPF Flag Order was the simple order to me “to handle ‘case on post’ amongst the crew. He mentioned no boundaries. After the original issue, he made some additions, such as the RPF’s RPF. And I’m glad I can say I didn’t do that. Whole story later.
          1. Vinay AgarwalaThanks for the data. 🙂
    2. chuckbeattyxSeaOrg75-03Vinay,
      How important it’d be for you to detail your experiences of the first RPF, for posterity, Vinay, if you can stand to write a chapter or paper in detail, the more details the better.
      1. urqbones@gmx.comYeah, Vinay. Let it all hang out. 🙂 Would you present the RPF experience as a cruel violation of human rights?
  3. OnuThe glow of freindship amongst kindred spirits transcends the limitations of time and space and establishes whom we really are together.Thankyou Ken.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comYessir. “Water always finds its own level.” In other words, it takes a rogue to recognize another. 🙂
  4. SpikeHello Ken – I appreciate the tone of this blog. I have a feeling there is much more to come. I have also been ‘out’ since 1982. It is no coincidence that many others chose to leave in that year. My attention has come back to this subject since the Aftermath series on TV, and rediscovering where people are and what’s been going on is truly an eye-opener.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comHello, Spike, welcome, and thanks for the visit and the encouragement. 🙂I must get on with the next couple of posts.
  5. chuckbeattyxSeaOrg75-03“…. I’d thought to slip out of the door quietly so as not to disturb the equanimity of anyone okay with staying and for whom I’d been a comrade. ….”That is such a perfect statement of a common feeling that ex staff are forced to make. Sublimating their feelings, so as not to “disturb the equanimity of anyone okay with staying….”Your way with words, and voicing the sentiments that participants on the highest staff rungs feel each generation who rise up and then wish to get out, is perfect.I thought doing the RPF was the honorable way to let the group see me as a “failure” and allow me to slip back to regular life.This must be also the feelings of ex nuns and ex monks who leave their lifetime “vows” of allegiance to their “church” group.It must just be a human psychological logical reaction.I so enjoy your writings.
  6. Linda McGinleyDan Koon steered me to your blog, Urq. Very nice. I am interested to hear what you have to say!
  7. Rheva Bittelman AcevedoDearest Ken:You’re missed.Big hug,
    Rheva
    1. urqbones@gmx.comDearest Rheva,Thank you!
      Alas, with your arms, a hug doesn’t go too far these days. :((
      Nonetheless, I could do with a Shrimp hug.
      Thanks for visiting!
      Hope to see you again.Love to you,
      Ken

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Introduction, brief..

Introduction, brief…

Hello, and Thank You for visiting.

My name: Kenneth G. Urquhart.

Brief bio: Born in South Wales, UK, in 1938, to a family as Scottish as could be.

A Theosophy friend of my father’s introduced me to Scientology at the London organization in 1957. I went to Saint Hill Manor in 1963 to work as L. Ron Hubbard’s “butler”. In early 1965 I became LRH Communicator [his agent or representative] in the Saint Hill Organization; had various executive positions in that organization or in the World Wide Organization that administered the international Scientology network. In 1968, LRH called me to the ship.

“SEND URQ TO FLAG QUIETLY”, read the telexed order. “Flag” was the big boat LRH was sailing about in, no-one knew where. I didn’t have plans to go to the ship, but off I went. Two things drove me: firstly, the implication of “quietly” fascinated me – was he going to keel-haul and dispose of me, out to sea, with no evidence to show that I’d ever been aboard? I just had to know what he intended. Secondly, curiosity awakened: it would be good to know what he was about generally and what he would do next with his life. He’d said to me one day, in his bedroom in the Manor, with a wry smile, “Life around me may be difficult, but it is never dull.” How true.

Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard have been by far the most dominant parts of my life. Between them, they have brought me my highest and some of the lowest points. Now, over 40 years after I parted company with the Church of Scientology in 1982, I think it’s time I came to terms with what it all means to me. For although I am an insignificant footnote in this history of  LRH and Scientology, I was a witness to certain things, things I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears, noted to myself with whatever discernment I had. It is as well to leave a sincerely reflected-on testimony as honest as I can make it. [And so, I believe, should all whose eyes saw what they saw and whose ears heard what they heard, noting what they noted. Please.]

Some more information on my Scientology history after going to the ship is in the next post. It may not be easy reading for anyone not familiar with Scientology and its general history. It will not suffer by being ignored.CATEGORIESREFLECTIONS ON SCIENTOLOGY AND L. RON HUBBARDTAGSAPOLLOKEN URQUHARTKENNETH G. URQUHARTL.RON HUBBARDLRHLRH PERS COMMLRH PERSONAL COMMUNICATORSCIENTOLOGYSEA ORG

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  1. Ann B WatsonSo wonderful to find this Ken.Thank you from my heart for what you leave as your early days with Ron & his ways.I joined Sea Org at Asho F in 1974 after reading DMSMH & lasted four years.The first two as a Forever SOer and the last two as an SOer who was put through the wringer by the GO and saw the black hat exchanged for the white.I blew in 78 otherwise I would not be here today.Honest testimonies are as lightning bolts hurled right back at the cult.I loved Ron once and would have given my life for the SO until I saw the wrecks from disconnections,fair gaming,GO Intel fun & games KSW and all the rest leading on into I look forward to your next post.You are another warrior.❤️
    1. Ann B WatsonHi Ken, Thank you for your email.I am not the wizard with computers like most,but I do see my original message above I can copy it here because that I About my speed with my IPad.My email. So wonderful to find this Ken,your piece on FB.Thank you from my heart for what you wrote about your early days with Ron & his ways.I joined SO @ Asho Fdn after only reading DMSMH & lasted four years.The first two as a Forever SOer & the last two as an SOer who was put through the wringer by the GOand saw the white hat exchanged for black.I blew in 78 otherwise I would not be alive today.Honest testimonies are as lightning bolts hurled right back at the cult.I loved Ron & would have given my life for the SO until I saw the wrecks from disconnections,fair gaming,GO Intel fun&games and KSW etc.Yiu are another warrior and I look forward to your posts.Between you and me,I am slowly getting to the point where I forgive Ron.I have to get there 100% so that the old hurts dissolve like morning mist.Thank you & 💛
      1. urqbones@gmx.comHello, Ann, and thanks for putting your post up again. So you had your adventures too! If your path is to find the way to forgive Ron, may you get there soon. 🙂
    2. Ann B WatsonHi Ken,Today is Sun 1/22/17.I have been trying to send you my original comment,but bad gremlins cause it to go missing each time.Let me try again.I believe I wrote that it was such a strong and true post you shared about your time with Ron.I joined SO at Asho Fdn 1974 & blew late 78.I had only read DMSMH when I joined and was instantly a Forever SOer.The first two years were as Theta as it got in some ways for me.Then the white hat turned black and I was subjected to a rougue I believe GO Intelligence group that made my life hell for about a year and a half.If I had not left I would not be around today.So I was before dm although I have learned so much about that shark and I certainly have fought demons,like cancers from my SO Time.I wanted to say I admire you and although I hate Disconnection,Fair Gaming,Sec checkings KSW all the punishment trappings of the cult,at 65 I have realized I have to forgive Ron 100% if I am to keep climbing upward on my path.Believe me I am not there yet but working on it.He and the Tech may have hurt me very badly but he also went through body & mind hell his last years. ❤️
      1. urqbones@gmx.comHello, Ann, and thanks for the further information. Yes, the movement went into a bad place. And, Yes, it was avoidable. I plan to post shortly about what I think LRH should have done, in my know-better hindsight. I am sorry indeed that you and so many others had such a bad time after your early enthusiastic embrace of the group and its proclaimed aims. At the same time, I believe that every bit of experience helps bring us closer to our truth, and that the more painful the experience, the more valuable the truth it teaches us. Let me say that you are adopting one of the best ways of learning from someone who you feel has harmed you — looking at the situation through his eyes. This, I think, is truly the gate to peace of mind and heart.
  2. Olivia KorringaHi Ken! So great to hear from you again, and to have the opportunity to read your beautiful writing.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThanks, Olivia! And thanks for visiting. Sorry for delay in responding to your kind message. Am having to hat myself on WordPress and Blogging.
  3. Roger wellerKen I just left you a note on dans post.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThanks, Roger! Sorry for delay. Still hatting myself on WordPress. 🙁
  4. Robin ScottHi KenSo glad you have decided to do this. Your story is one of the most authentic and important to be told. I look forward to reading every chapter with the greatest enthusiasm, my friend.With love and best wishes, Robin
  5. Kent BengtssonThank you for this Ken,
    I just read through what you have written so far. All very good.There is however one thing I was hoping to see more of from someone who knew LRH well – some stories involving the two or you or about how he interacted with people at different times.You say that he changed as time progressed. I would be interested to see what specific things he said or did that in your opinion led to the changes in the organization and the creating or enemies. I believe he could at times be quite paranoid and manipulative and that he had problems with his own health and case. I would be interesting to hear more of specific instances about this.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThank you, Kent. There’s a lot to tell! Can’t tell it all at once!
  6. Peter MoonGlad to see this, Ken! Congratulations on completing this.
  7. Vinay AgarwalaWhat year did you part company with the Church of Scientology?
    1. urqbones@gmx.comIn 1982, in early November, Vinay.
  8. Elaine HenwoodDear Ken, I look forward to your reflections. Love to you, Elaine.
  9. Alex CastilloGreat to hear from you Ken. I will follow your blog
  10. Stewart WilcoxI’ve waited a considerable time to read your story Ken. I think you are uniquely placed to describe and comment on LRH. I believe you to be an unbiased witness. Thank you for publishing this blog.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThanks, Stewart. It’s been a long and bumpy road…but am glad to have got this far.
    2. marildiMy sentiments exactly.
      1. urqbones@gmx.comThank you. 🙂
        After the broth will come the pudding and its proving. 🙂
  11. Rebecca JessupThank you so much for doing this. There is so much sound and fury about what has happened since the 1980s, I’m glad to find a calm and measured voice, a witness reflecting with deep knowledge and compassion on those years. A thousand thanks!
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThank you so much, Rebecca, for your kind ack, and for getting what I’m trying to do.
      Will you be our official Latin translator?
  12. Fred RandallVery happy to see you are doing this Ken.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comTa, Freddie, old friend 🙂
  13. OnuGreetings Ken,
    Your measured tone and grace is like a breath of fresh air accompanied by a delicate and uplifting fragrance of truth.Thankyou.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comDeep bow, Onu. Thank you.
  14. Richard KaminskiA great blog, Ken, thank you for taking the time and trouble to put it together. Your thoughts are hugely appreciated.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThank you, Richard. Thank you for sharing the path. We have a way to go…..
  15. chuckbeattyxSeaOrg75-03Ken,What does it mean, Scottish born in South Wales?Wales birth by a Scottish person, that’s almost being a Scottish immigrant family in Wales, or in South Wales?Was that distinction of being Scottish in Wales noticeable to you growing up, like any discrimination or outsider negative connotation to your Scottish birth?The UK is so vast and so much history, so much to learn the fine distinctions the UK populations grow up so much more literate in the language.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comScottish by blood; parents (and brothers) moved to Wales before I was born (father went there to get work).
      I was proud of being Scottish; lived with maternal grandparents in Scotland during the War (WW2) after mother died. Went back to Wales with a Scottish accent at age 8 or 9, and lost the accent as quickly as I could because the boys teased it out of me. I didn’t like being back in Wales but in those days, children were sent here and there like so many packages in the mail.
  16. chuckbeattyxSeaOrg75-03This is priceless stuff here, for posterity.100 years from now, those interested in the upclose people around LRH’s life, for whatever their researcher/historian/practitioner motives will absolutely appreciate Ken’s writings.I’m glued to them, reading and re-reading them.I’m a harsh critic, but Jen’s and Janis Grady’s writings are just the best.Ken is just a joy to read, posterity will thank him for his well spokenness.The more details the better.Chuck Beatty
    ex OEC/FEBC Course Sup and Word Clearer 1977-1983, I endlessly from that time til now, puzzled over the missing backstory of the top firsthand participants around LRH, especially in Ken’s whirlwind LRH Pers Comm years of the top management changes.
  17. Stewart WilcoxI’m sure your testament Ken will step couragiously through the polemic minefield laid by the pro and anti LRH warring factions. I am so grateful you are bold enough to ignore both and speak your mind.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comThanks, Stewart.
      I’ll be stepping on some mines ere long, I don’t doubt. But so what? It’s just noise.
      1. Vinay AgarwalaKen, I am glad that your viewpoint is objective with respect to LRH. Here is what I believe:General principle of objectivity: The essential criterion of objectivity is continuity, harmony and consistency among all observations..
        1. urqbones@gmx.comThank you, Vinay, for the viewpoint and for the implied compliment.
          My own perverse view is that in being objective one is exterior to the subject while willing to remain connected to it within the bounds of what is true, necessary, and kind; one can be a little bit exterior to it or greatly so.
          1. Vinay AgarwalaTruth can be a fixed idea. 🙂
          2. urqbones@gmx.comYes, to a fixed person comfortable with fixed viewpoints, right? And if, so, then we could say that that person’s “truth” arises out of non-confront. But since this is so obvious, I’m feeling I must be missing your point. Elucidate if you need/wish. 🙂
          3. Vinay AgarwalaAn example is LRH’s statement,THE DYNAMIC PRINCIPLE OF EXISTENCE IS: SURVIVE!Most people regard this as “truth”. Is that really so? How does this “survive!” compare to “evolve”?
          4. urqbones@gmx.comUnderstood in the LRH statement you quote: “The Dynamic Principle of Existence WITHIN THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE IS: Survive.”
            Yes, most people might regard this as a guiding principle, or the guiding principle of their lives but observe also that each has his own interpretation of the term ‘survive’, observe that conceptions of ‘survival’ closely relate to tone level, and observe that a fundamental error (invited by the physical universe itself as was deliberately designed) is to assume firstly that physical universe survival is both important and necessary, and secondly that the physical universe is the only environment in which ‘survival’ is possible. Any who believe this will believe anything. And, boy, do they believe. Dedicatedly.
          5. Vinay AgarwalaHaha! This is an excellent example of “truth can be fixed idea”. As you said, “It comes down to inetrpretation”. A person never thinks that his beliefs are not true. To a flat-earther, the flat earth is the truth.In the above explanation of yours, it seems inconsistent to assume that there is a physical universe seperate and independent of the spiritual universe. In my opinion, physical and spiritual are the aspects of the same universe.This is why I consider the general principle of objectivityto be,The essential criterion of objectivity is continuity, harmony and consistency among all observations.I apologize for intruding with this philosophy here.
          6. urqbones@gmx.comAre you telling us, Vinay, that the idea “truth can be a fixed idea” is a fixed idea of yours? If so, thank you for having it and for promoting it. 🙂
            We acknowledge your thoughtful apology, thank you, without any feeling of offence having been caused.
            Let’s remember that a person has viewpoints and thoughts, willy-nilly; every person is also free to be mindful that he/she doesn’t know everything and might at any moment happily discover something so truthful that all prior viewpoints and thoughts become instantly invalid. A person never mindful of such possibilities is a poor person indeed. For myself, I would like to add this or similar mindfulness to your essential criterion of objectivity — how can anyone other than Supreme Whatever know that “all observations” means “all observations of relevant phenomena I might not be aware of yet”?
            Yes, I can agree that physical and spiritual are aspects of the same something-or-other, in that it is the spiritual that creates the physical. That they are aspects doesn’t make them identical, though. It seems we have to agree to disagree. I am unable not to separate them and to regard the spiritual as senior. Out of the kind of person I am I differ from you; out of the kind of person you are, you differ from me. Vive la difference, toujours!
          7. Vinay AgarwalaViewpoint and ideas evolve as more observations are made and continuity, harmony and consistenty is continually reestablished.That is how science works. That is what I have understood from my studies of Eastern philosophy (India), Nuclear physics (MIT) and Scientology (USA).All my best to you, my friend, Ken.
            .
          8. urqbones@gmx.comUnderstood, Vinay. Thank you. 🙂
  18. Peter MoonAs I read the appreciative comments of your account of LRH, I think that you words will garnish more attention and respect as time rolls on. With figures who achieve great notoriety, there is a tendency for the public to de-humanize them by building a stereotype that then gets reinforced. The prejudice of racism uses this exact strategy to reinforce their errant beliefs. In the case of LRH, this applied to the positive as well as the negative. Scientologists who were on board with LRH too often would put him on a pedestal. When they find him not worthy of the pedestal they put them on, they polarize and go the opposite way. Good or bad, the name of LRH gets a more potent “needle reaction” than people like Stalin or Hitler. The only reason I can assume is that people are comfortable with the idea of Stalin or Hitler, feeling rather free and disconnected from their evils. The hyper reaction to LRH suggests they still have not figured him out.
    1. urqbones@gmx.comHello, Peter, and thanks. I agree that it will take time for the comm lag to flatten. However, I’d add that all the respected spiritual leaders who have spoken to us have urged us, in essence, to grow up, to mature, to become adult in accepting our responsibilities to ourselves, to others, and to the environment (including, in many cases, a conception of Supreme Reality). And, in general, mankind continues to be deaf to what they taught. There seems to be no likelihood of that comm lag reducing any time soon, if ever. But soon, mankind will be over the cliff into the deep abyss of the chaos of unhappy nothing. Awareness and attention will fixate on immediate, basic survival, minute-by-minute. We will have to lie on the horrible bed we have made for ourselves.
      “Ten thousand men can take a horse to water but not one of them can make the horse drink.” [Traditional]
      “Woe unto you that are rich, for ye have received your consolation; Woe unto you who are full now, for ye shall hunger; Woes unto you that laugh now, for ye shall mourn and weep. Woe unto you when all men shall speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the FALSE prophets.” [New Testament; I added the emphasis]
      1. Robin ScottYes, Ken, your rather sober assessment today resonates with me:“But soon, mankind will be over the cliff into the deep abyss of the chaos of unhappy nothing. Awareness and attention will fixate on immediate, basic survival, minute-by-minute. We will have to lie on the horrible bed we have made for ourselves.”Beautifully put, my friend!
        1. urqbones@gmx.comWell, thanks, Robin. It’s also sadly put….
        2. Vinay AgarwalaMore important than survival is evolution.
          1. urqbones@gmx.comWell, Vinay, it strikes me that this is close to the chicken-and-egg dilemma. One can’t evolve if one can’t survive but one can’t survive if he can’t evolve.
            I sidestep any dilemma by considering that nothing whatever within the physical universe has the slightest importance.
            What alone is important is one’s relationship with the senior reality within which this physical universe exists.
  19. Roger Barnes D.C.Hi Ken,Am enjoying this blog. I remember meeting John Henry. I think it was also the first time I met you. SH Manor kitchen circa 1967. I was SH night watchman (paid for my Dianetics Course that way but left me a little short of sleep – I slept 9 am to 4 pm 5 days a week). John laughed a lot and had this dark tan complexion. No surprise to me that he batted for the other side. I remember the bell cabinet in the kitchen like the one in Downton Abbey – was it Princess Bubbles up there on that board, an earlier link from the maharajah’s occupancy? Good times.I wanted to just chat a bit about what you have recently written about your views of the world and your expectations of what’s to come. Do you remember that Q & A you and I had back in 1975 when you first joined me in the RPF at the Fort Harrison? Do you think that area might be resonating again?I wish you joy,
    1. urqbones@gmx.comHello, Roger, and thanks for joining us. Super to have you. 🙂
      Sorry to say my memory is selective. Some things seem to be as clear as anything, other things have gone. I recall nothing about noticing names on the bell board.
      More sorry to say I can’t bring up anything of our conversation in the RPF. On my time-line, I went there in 1978.
      Will be happy to say if I think that might be resonating again if you’ll kindly clarify for me what it is that might be resonating. Thanks, and apologies.
      All the best, Roger.
      1. Roger Barnes D.C.Hi Ken
        I’ll attempt to contact you via email.
        Roger
        1. urqbones@gmx.comGreat. Old gmail address still works.